#605 - Don’t Hold Your Breath

#605 - Don’t Hold Your Breath

Okay, we all know we’re talking about Final Fantasy X here. It was IMPLIED that it was because Tidus and Wakka were Blitzball players, because they’re the only ones that ever dived-- with Rikku of course, who also really has no valid reason-- but y’all they stayed underwater for STUPID long amounts of time! In Blitzball the characters could pop their heads out for a new breath, but nope, we’re just fighting gigantic ass fish for 45 minutes at a time!

Anyway, while writing this arc I was trying for a good while to figure out the best way to allow them to breathe and talk. I considered a mouth apparatus, a giant pill like the episode in Futurama, air magic to make bubbles around their heads, and then decided that the simplest and funniest explanation would just be an enchantment around the city. Boom, done.

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8.21.2019, 12:21 AM
It's not the only game, even in that series, that had the extended underwater sections. Even the ones that had timers were incredibly generous.
Oh no! What will we argue over now? What kind of enchantment is this? Maybe it's the kind that grows walls of thorns, and puts the entire city to sleep until a princess is kissed? AVOID THE SPINNING WHEELS!!!
8.21.2019, 12:25 AM
Or maybe it's a +3 flaming vorpal enchantment? What enemy is big enough that we need to use the city as a weapon?
8.21.2019, 3:13 AM
Blue_Elite (Guest)
8-Bit Theater mocked this concept to Hell and back: https://www.nuklearpower.com/2007/04/28/episode-839-wide-world-of-sports/

As I mentioned before, PLENTY more to argue about: Why aren't their definitely-not-waterproof-clothes getting soaked (and Cherry giving us a little nipple-and-dimed ;) )? Why are they walking instead of swimming (ESPECIALLY the fish people; it's basically a world where everyone can "fly")? Why is all the architecture designed like there's no property of buoyancy involved? Etc.

Also kudos to Atari for that first panel there. Very lovely.
8.21.2019, 7:33 AM
This is exactly what I hoped for 😂

Truth be told I wanted this place to make no sense at all
8.21.2019, 7:35 AM
Also, 8-bit theater was one of my favorite webcomics back in the day and was definitely an inspiration in reviving this one!
8.21.2019, 11:16 AM
I remember enjoying 8-Bit Theater back in the day, but also stopping because politics seemed to be seeping into the strip. I think I got hung up on some political humor I didn't like. I need to go back and read the rest some time.

Note: I am not against politics being in comics, but as with just about everything, there's a difference between doing it well and doing it poorly, whether or not I agree with those politics or not. ;)
8.21.2019, 11:38 AM
Unfortunately for you, at least one of your regular readers is a GURPS fanboy. Who also bailed on the Final Fantasy series after FFVI. The stuff you think will make no sense to me, I can come up with a pen & paper RPG setting to emulate in at least a cohesive (if not logical) manner, while the "modern" Final Fantasy references are often lost on me.

Case in point, while I know of Final Fantasy X, even some significant plot points, it has all been through secondhand exposure and plenty of bits I've never known or have forgotten.

On the other hand, not only does GURPS give you the option of tossing out realism when it behooves gameplay. Environmental penalties bogging down the action or needlessly complicating the story? Handwave them for a scene or even the entire campaign. Need some justification? Logic is actually your friend: in a setting where magic and enhantment exist - even if only as relics of "lost" technology or magics - would it not greatly benefit an amphibious civilization - especially one with purely aquatic and purely non-aquatic guests - if one could magically "force" things to behave the same under the sea as they do above? Especially if there is a way to freely go between the two.

It might require a complex set of enchantments that, for game balance purposes, would need to also be expensive, but having the magics allow air-breathing lungs to still work underwater, to negate buoyancy, friction, and pressure from the surrounding water, and to even prevent unintended water-absorption would allow visitors (and technology) from above the waves to function the same below... and keep you from having to figure out an aquatic alternative.

If the amphibious and/or aquatic citizens can selectively negate the enchantment for themselves, they enjoy the best of both worlds. If they can selectively disable it for guests, it is quite handy for prisoners, and if intruders can easily be excluded, it all doubles as a security system.

Huh... the inverse of such spells could be handy for similar reasons. That, or building an aquatic whatever (palace, dungeon, etc.) with the above enchantments someplace that isn't actually underwater, then filling it with water. Imagine the surprise of players to find they're in an "underwater dungeon" while actually high in the mountains or deep into the desert!
8.21.2019, 5:54 PM
Remind me to send you a "most thought out comment" button
8.22.2019, 7:51 PM
Yay! Most people just send me dirty looks!
8.21.2019, 12:09 PM
Don't worry Hero, the forums still are arguing over your hair and who is best girl, which includes you from when you crossed dressed that one time. The internet is lacking in many things, one of those is certainly not things to argue about.
8.21.2019, 5:56 PM
Hilariously I never got to partake in the forums back in the day.

I wish they were alive so I could find more RPGW fans
8.21.2019, 12:20 PM
Delitta (Guest)
I love you guys
8.21.2019, 5:55 PM
Yeah you all are pretty wonderful
8.21.2019, 6:40 PM
Ian the Great
My favorite forum argument is who is the OTP Pairing!
I know it's traditional, but Eikre/Diane are way better together than Hero/Cherry. Hero needs somebody on his level... like that potted plant Cid keeps around.
8.21.2019, 7:27 PM
Awww but best friends belong together! Can you really see them ending up with anyone else?
8.22.2019, 8:28 PM
Blue_Elite (Guest)
Actually, now that you mention it, I could totally see Hero and Reka pairing up. As a pirate, she'd always have battles either with (corrupt) law enforcement or monsters on the high seas; always giving Hero opportunities to battle. That'd then free up Cherry to find someone more intellectually on par with herself (and probably less violent).
Really, Hero is so lacking in personal character you could pair him up with anyone and it'd probably work. The original RPG World ended before Hero got any real character development (though like Karn from Adventurers!, there's no guarantee that'd happen anyway).

Of course, OK K.O. has already made Hero and Cherry ending up together a thing.
8.26.2019, 1:42 PM
Ian the Great
I'd say hero has some character development, but it's mostly that he'll always fight for his friends and he likes swords. Classic Son Goku stuff.

OK K.O.'s episode is good, but it's not canon to this. We've got a Full Metal Alchemist Original VS. Brotherhood kinda thing here.
8.22.2019, 10:27 AM
Wakeangel2001 (Guest)
enchanted city limits is as good an explanation as wearing a magical blue shirt
8.22.2019, 10:31 AM
Everfreefire (Guest)
Rikku has the breathing mask. She used it near the beginning of the game, remember? Even offered one to Tidus.
8.22.2019, 12:35 PM
With FFX being my second favorite you think I'd remember it better. *shame*
8.23.2019, 11:06 AM
Everfreefire (Guest)
I also recall somewhere about the pyreflies helping breathing, but I wouldn't be able to tell you about that. But yeah, it's a quick little thing in the beginning. Can't blame ya for not remembering.
8.22.2019, 11:00 AM
ErikerikboBerik (Guest)
Hahaha I like how you say 'we all know which game' and I thought we were all on the same page with this (https://youtu.be/SXfPkH5Vcnw?t=3937). Even down to the "enchantment".

Also, just want to say that as a huge fan of the original comic and only recently finding this, I think you guys are doing an even better job than the original. Any idea how we can get your comic more exposure? Didn't even know it existed until this week!
8.22.2019, 12:35 PM
Hey, glad you're enjoying! I don't think I can ever top Ian's raw comic ability, but I appreciate it!

As for exposure, GOD I wish. It's very hard to find old RPGW fans.

And dang, I missed that reference. I've been out of the JRPG loop for a long time.
8.31.2019, 3:32 AM
Bin (Guest)
How can we breath underwater?
And who put this magic here?
A wizard did it.
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